One woman's journey to pay off her mortgage, drastically reduce consumption and live a simpler life.
Monday, 19 August 2013
Does it cost £148,000 to raise a child?
Hello Dear Reader,
I grew up in a house with heating in one room, with that fact and the recent 'surveys' in the cost of raising a child, it's a total surprise to many that I'm actually alive!
Our living room had a parkray coal fire which heated the water and that room. No other room had any heating at all. The coal fire also heated the hot water but it would take it being 'opened up' and set roaring to heat a bath and we just couldn't afford the coal. We had a parrafin heater in our bathroom which was lit on Sunday afternoons when we had our weekly bath. The rest of the week, the bathroom was unheated and we had a 'strip wash', which I always successfully managed to have under my dressing gown! Half way through the week, I would wash my hair in the kitchen sink and it was usually damp the next morning. I never owned a hair dryer until I was grown up and with a job.
There were no supermarkets. Food was grown in our garden. Luckily, we had the usual size big council house garden that had plenty of space. Our back porch was full of 'clamps' where the root vegetables were buried in sand and peat to keep them throughout the winter. Apples were wrapped in newspaper and placed on planking shelves in the roof rafters of the garage. Our greatest luxury, was a deep freeze............with a lock! Through out the summer, my parents and us kids, would pick barrow after barrow of broad beans, French beans, runner beans and peas and prepare them, blanch them and then freezer them in bags to keep us going throughout the winter. Apples were stewed and bagged and again stored in the freezer to last the winter. In the warmer months, my dad would fish off Par docks and Spit beach to catch whiting and mackerel. The mackerel was 'soused' or hot pickled and sealed in kilner jars and the whiting was gutted, filleted and frozen. He would go out of his friend's boat and bring back pollock which would be gutted, steamed and mixed with mashed potatoes and there would be bags and bags of fish cakes in the freezer. Meat came from 'Dave's Discount' freezer store and mum would buy a forequarter of beef (shin and mostly stewing meat) that was stewed and served with gravy. It was bagged up at home and stored in the freezer. The big roast dinner was reserved for Christmas.
We kept chickens and not just for eggs. We also had ducks. A good third of our garden was a muddy poopy mess! We had piles of birdy poop and bedding which we kept to dig into our garden. We would be sent with a barrow and fork to the nearby stables to ask for manure which we would bring home. As a child, I spent a lot of time either collecting shit or digging it into the garden. I quite enjoyed digging!
We had a green house and throughout the summer ate grapes and melons to the point that I was sick of them. We had lots of fruit bushes in a fruit cage and made jam to keep us going all year. School lunch was always a jam sandwich and yes, the bread was home made. In winter, there was cabbage, kale, purple sprouting broccoli and sprouts. Dinner was always 'shut up and eat it' and as we were always hungry, we always ate it.
School uniform came as balls of knitting wool from the local haberdashery and my mum would knit us all one school jumper each every year. When we out grew it, she would detach the jumper and start to unpick it and pick up the stitches and then just knit the body and sleeves longer. When our school skirts got too short, she would let them down. When our school shirts got tatty, she would turn the collars and patch where no one could see. We each had one set of uniform, the jumper and skirt got worn all week and the shirts and underwear washed by hand each night and dried by the fire. We had no washing machine and sheets were washed in the bath by sitting on the side and stamping on them. Mum and I would take them in the garden and hold an end and twist them into a sausage to wring them out. They would then be hoisted onto a high ling and held aloft with a pole to stop the line drooping in the middle.
Winters were harsh and everyone I knew had chilblains. You got them on your feet and hands. Everyone's noses dripped, mouth cracked with cold sores and wore unwashed clothes, as no day was ever a drying day for weeks and weeks on end. Coats and shoes never really dried and the house would be damp and dark from October to March. We had ice on the inside of our windows and our pipes would often freeze, which meant no water until they defrosted. We took a hot water bottle to bed. When it got so cold that the blankets didn't keep you warm any anything became a bed covering. Coats, dad's donkey jacket, and old curtains. Still, I can remember sardines on toast and sitting around the fire on those cold evenings and all of us spending time together in one room.
All entertainment began and ended in the local village. Everything happened in the church hall. Brownies, Scouts, Guides, youth club on a Friday and Sunday school on Sunday. We flocked to Sunday school to collect our 'I've been' stamps in our books as it meant we got a Christmas present and a holiday to Porthpean for a week in the summer. No one at that summer bible camp had any pocket money, we ate what we were given and every year knew we would get an ice cream on the last day. We looked forwards to Christmas bazaars, summer fetes and sunday school 'teas'.
Shoes were something that you got new in September for school. They were purposefully too big and everyone wore two or more pairs of socks. We clunk clunked our way to school in loose schools, with rolled up jumper sleeves and trousers turned up to almost the knee. They had no toes in them by June and by July we had to explain to our teachers why we were wearing our black plimsols for just a few weeks. Clothes came from jumble sales, hand me downs from friends and relatives. Schools knew and accepted that they were full of ordinary kids and consequently, I can't remember a single school trip, day out or special occasion. We just went to school and learnt and that was it.
My dad was a lorry driver but that wasn't well paid. My mum stayed home until we were older and I was at secondary school. I was expected to have the fire going and the dinner made for mum when she got home. I loved reading and drawing and would while away hours doing just that. There was no child care. I got a bus home from school and my sister and brother walked back from the primary school and I met them at the end of the lane and I took them home. There were no snacks, no multiple TV channels to watch and we all loved our own 'tranny' radio. If you were hungry, you made do with a jam sandwich as you did for breakfast and lunch.
Employment law was mercifully slack throughout my childhood. I and so many like me, picked the winter daffodils in bud and then the spring early Cornish potatoes. We got work in pubs washing glasses and chippys peeling spuds. I had friends who swept up and made tea in hair dressers and even crimped pasties in the back of bakeries. I sold ice creams in a van on the beach every summer from when I was thirteen years old, I was supposed to be fourteen but I lied. I used to save up and buy Mum roll-ons, Rimmel make up, Silvikrin shampoo and Yardley perfume. One summer, I was so determined to buy a pair of Wrangler jeans that I saved all summer. By the time of was sixteen, I was financially self sufficient and by eighteen was living independently. I'd never heard of a university until VIth form and didn't stay long enough to go to one.
Everyone I knew lived a similar life to my own. In fact, I was much better off than many of my contemporaries. My mum knew who the hungry kids were and told me to bring them home. I was taller than most kids and my mum knew who was short of a cardi or a nightie and they could have my old ones. We always ate a hot meal every night, there was always a pot of tea and I was always able to bring school friends home and they always got fed too. Locally, we were strangely aware of the parents who smoked or drank their money and it wasn't unheard of for my primary school head teacher to go personally to the house and give them a shot across the bough if they neglected their children.
As a family, things got better for us when both my parents had a job and we'd often have a coal fire in two rooms and later we had electric heaters in our bedrooms and we were allowed to switch then on just before going to bed. By the time I left home, there were three TV channels but still no washing machine but at least mum could afford to take the big wash to the launderette.
It takes what ever you have to raise a child. I didn't have a holiday until my youngest child was thirteen and my eldest, now 27 has never had a holiday in his life. They didn't get much at all, but in comparison to my childhood, grew up in decadence. They could have a bath every day, clean clothes every day, and we had a heated house with double glazing. They had breakfast cereal, juice and a packed lunch and a cooked meal every night. They had a birthday and Christmas present. They went of school trips and even school holidays. We had days out to the beach and parks. They had an ice cream every week!
It certainly doesn't take that much to raise a child and those of us who didn't plan them but had them anyway, know that you get by some how and do your best. Those of us who grew up, by modern standards, in poverty, were never aware that we were poor. Children need to be loved and wanted, have secure families, a roof over their heads, enough food, enough cleanliness and enough clothes. There is little more that they need. I was loved and wanted and so were my children and that is about all they or I truly needed.
The photo is of me and my lovely mum - a couple of summers ago. I am truly blessed, that despite of having no money, gave me a wonderful upbringing.
Over to you. Who else brought their kids up on not a lot more that good luck and prayer? Who else thinks that materialism has polluted family life and blurs the line between what we want and what we need?
Until tomorrow,
Love Froogs xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Goodness, apart from the fact that it was strawberries and peas we picked in Lincolnshire, and not daffodils this almost mirrors my childhood. It's a fantastic post and has brought many memories flooding back. Thank you. Agree absolutely that materialism has polluted family life. It's impossible for me to imagine, sadly what might pass as a treat for many of our children today, and equally sadly I fear that this is responsible for unrealistic expectations in later life.
ReplyDeleteWow I must say my eastern european childhood was more comfortable. Our houses were warmer, and though our strategies for having enough food, clothes etc. were similar nobody was hungry or cold. I think materialism is poisoning children's lives making them unhappy as the pressure on them to have the right clothes, gadgets and so on is enormous.
ReplyDeleteI am 20 years older than you, and my upbringing in the US was spare, but different from yours. My family didn't really benefit much from post-war prosperity, and I think prosperity after the war took longer to come to England.
ReplyDeleteFour of us lived in a one-bedroom house until I was 10 and my sister was 13, and we slept in the living room on a fold-down couch. Then we moved to a small two-bedroom house. We had central heating, but never enough blankets or towels or anything like that. My parents didn't garden or can food, which always surprised me. My parents both smoked and my father was an alcoholic; I realize now my mother was clinically depressed the whole time I was growing up. We never went to doctors, and as a result, I nearly died of a ruptured appendix when I was 10. The reality was that my parents didn't have any parenting skills, although they weren't irresponsible. We were always clean and more or less fed. We never took vacations or ate in restaurants.
We didn't wear school uniforms, and my mother taught herself to sew when I started kindergarten. She told my dad that she wanted a sewing machine and he responded that she didn't know how to sew. "And I'll never learn if you don't buy me one!" She got her sewing machine. Some of her early efforts were, ah, unusual, but she clothed us all the way through school and she got better as she went. We had a wringer washing machine and hung clothes to dry outside or in a tiny basement until after I graduated from high school in 1964. Then my mother started going to a coin laundry. She didn't drive, so she used a grocery cart to transport her laundry. She didn't get a washing machine again for nearly 40 years! We wore our clothes for 2-3 days before washing them--always changed when we came home from school. Only had one or at most two bras, which got washed out by hand. Usually got a new pair of shoes in the fall, and after that it depended on how fast our feet grew. We walked or took buses everywhere. Didn't have a car or phone until 1953, when my dad was required to get a phone for work and the bus schedule was cut back and he couldn't get to work on time. Our cars were always awful. By the time my parents got rid of the '56 Chevrolet (bought in 1963), it had mushrooms growing up through the floorboards.
I went to university, and they did help (which surprised me). I went on the super cheap and also worked. I married a university graduate and we raised our two children in relative prosperity. However, they never had as many clothes as most other parents seem to have thought necessary. Two or 3 pairs of jeans and 4-5 tops, and shoes as needed. I always swore my kids wouldn't have to wait until payday for new shoes, but do you know what--they did! Some things never change.
I always laugh when I see figures in the news. I am 65 years old and grew up in Plymouth. your childhood was very similar to yours, no holidays same heating and bathroom facilities, just a change of clothes two pairs of shoes a year, sandals and winter lace ups. My father wasn't a gardener but we didn't go hungry, cocoa powder and sugar in a bit of greaseproof paper was our sweet treat of chocolate. But my childhood was the happiest time of my life all the kids in the street seemed to be the same so there was no comparison to be envious of.x
ReplyDeleteSame here with shoes and sandals every year, lol.
DeleteI must admit my 3 children do have a lot more that i do whilst growing up i certainly do not plan on spending that much on any of my children. We are not well off and the children know that they will not get everything they ask for, food will be eaten even if its not really to their liking, and clothes will either be from charity shops or hand me downs. They are all happy with what we can give them and i dont think they would be any happier really if i could afford the latest gadget to buy them. Its the spending quality time with mum and dad for free that often produces the best memories.
ReplyDeleteI had a very similar childhood to yours, waking up to find ice on the inside of the bedroom window was usual. A sudden change in circumstances meant that my children also had very little compared to their friends. Like others I made up for that in other ways, however it wasn't till they were older and discovered that other children had not had the same kind of childhood that they began to appreciate it. I babysat my grandsons this weekend and they love it when I take them to the playground to play, play with them in the garden and play board games with them. They have the latest gadgets, because their father does not want them to miss out like he did, but they can still be thrilled by people taking time with them. But the point about the cost of raising a child is the cost of childcare and I can really see how that can be. One of my sons lives in a council house and they can afford for his wife not to work but be at home with their sons. My other son lives in private rented accommodation in an area closer to work but that means that it is much more expensive. They had to move out of London in order to be able to rent a place big enough for them and their son and I am not talking a mansion here but simply a two bedroomed flat. Both of them have to work in order to pay the rent so they have to pay out for childcare, and that is where the money is going, on paying for childcare while people work to afford the increasing high cost of housing.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed reading that, tough but a simpler life.
ReplyDeleteohh this brought back so many memories.. we had metal window frames so lived with ice on the inside of the windows for months on end .. my parents got a telephone in the house when I was 17 and I well remember shivering in the telephone box on the corner with folks banging on the (THICK) glass saying .. your time is up!! We had a black and white TV that was only on after 5pm.. no programmes broadcast in the day! with 2 channels xx
ReplyDeleteHOW ever did we survive?
When my husband walked out I and my children were left to cope .. although their lives had more "luxuries" they were brought up to value what we had.. and they are wonderful adults who also survived xx
Seems to be a bit of deprevation never hurt any of us x
Wonderful post .. thank you x
Ah yes the good old days, I remember them well. We only had a paraffin stove and we took it from the kitchen, where we mostly lived, into the living room at night. We fought to sit closest with our feet on the base and ended up with painful blotchy chilblains. I collected the paraffin from the local garage and hauled back the gallon can from a young age. As Londoners we did not have a gardening heritage so nut much homegrown veg but were never hungry and my elder sister helped with making clothes.School uniform was expensive and Mum used to have a Co-op account which spread the payment over a few months.
ReplyDeleteI guess each generation wants the best for their kids-we didn't have things but we had more freedom.
What I forgot to say about the son who is paying out for child care is that his son has limited toys, wears second hand clothes and uses books for his entertainment, so their money is not going on buying him the latest gadgets. He is however a very happy child and so shows that you do not need to buy the latest toys even now.
ReplyDeleteOMG, this could be me and my family. The parrafin heater he bathroom facilities and so on. We never went hungry and you understood you only took what was alloted to you. One pair school shoes, PE shoes and going out shoes. Oh how I remembered trying to ruin my Tuff shoes, no such luck. With my many siblings and diciplined upbringing I recall much laugher in our house.
ReplyDeleteLike all those above, my own childhood was very similar - I became very adept at dressing and undressing under blankets on the bed.I have no idea where they get such figures from or whom they base them on. A figures such as that would mean handing over 3/4's of our entire income over 15 years to spend that figure. That didn't happen. My child was loved, educated, had fun, was warm and well fed but not like today. He didn't get a mobile phone until he began 6th form and needed to let us know when to get him, or if he needed picking up. No late buses in our village. From when he was small till nearly grown up, our total income was £6000 a year!
ReplyDeleteI too had a similar upbringing with much love but little cash- my children were the same. I was blessed in that I went to Uni in the 70s [on a full grant] and at the end of it I had saved enough to lend my parents the money to buy a car! My children have been equally frugal, and I am proud of their achievements.
ReplyDeleteMoney is not everything - what does it profit someone to gain the whole world, and lose their own soul?? xx
I am the same age as you but my parents seem to be older than yours. They were born in the mid to late 1920's and Mum has always had a non-materialistic attitude, Dad was a carpenter and made a lot of our toys and furniture (I am sitting next to a gorgeous mahogany sideboard he made in the 50's or early 60's for Mum, probably made from scraps he begged or half-inched from work at a boatbuilders). We lived in a council house until I, the youngest of 4, was 9 years old and there Dad did grow some fruit and veg. We only had our own house after that because he inherited his mother's house and he got a mortgage to partly knock it down and extend it so we could live there. I don't think we were poor but certainly not rich but we had one coal fire in the sitting room that was only lit at 5pm. In the evenings and overnight there was a paraffin heater on the upstairs landing. We would have benefitted from thick curtains, but only had thin, unlined ones but there was a blanket curtain on the inside of the sitting room door in winter and he closed in the bottom of the stairs too. We ate quite well, although Mum wasn't the greatest cook, but always something to stick to your ribs! I have vivid memories of her mincing stewing steak at home. She had strong arms because she did all the washing by hand, had an electric "copper" to boil things and a mangle in the back yard; when she had a spin dryer in the late 60's or early 70's I thought "Wow!!!" She worked seasonally picking fruit and processing sprouts in the winter; strawbeeries and sprouts featured heavily in our diets, all the women would fill their lunchbox with whatever they were working on. Our first fridge was about 1973 when granny died and it was about two-thirds of the size of a modern under-counter one. Just this morning we were discussing how many people view us today as poor when we are actually rich; we have far more than our parents ever had; just no children; they are expensive to bring up up, but no, not as expensive as those reports say; they do count luxuries as necessities.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I grew up in the US, I can relate to a lot of the things you stated about your childhood. We didn't own a house but lived in an apartment in the city. What made it easier for my parents when I was very young was the fact that we shared our home with my grandfather and uncle (mom's dad and brother). My dad, granddad and uncle all worked and my mom stayed home. We had three bedrooms in that apartment and I slept on a pull out small couch in my parents' bedroom. We didn't go on vacations but my mother's family lived in the countryside in Pennsylvania and we would go to visit her grandmother there and stay a week usually in the summer. We had a lot of relatives in the neighborhood where we lived and we would have get togethers with them all the time. I have great memories of my childhood. We didn't have much but we had the necessities. We had to heat water up (turn the water heater on) every time we needed hot water but it wasn't so bad. My mother had a washer but no drier so we had a line outside and a line inside where she pulled it across the kitchen during rainy or cold days and hung up clothes overnight there. My kids couldn't believe that! We had some conveniences because we lived right in the city where there were stores very close by and even street vendors who came with fruits and veg on a truck. Things were very different then. No supermarkets for one thing. We had a butcher down the street from us and he sold groceries too. Everything was in walking distance. My grandfather had a car but my dad didn't but everywhere we went, we went together in that car. Such great memories. Thanks for bringing back those sweet days for me.
ReplyDeleteI had a very similar upbringing too ! My parents never had a car, phone, freezer or heating. Our Rayburn would keep just one room warm & on Sundays we would drawer up the settee and toast bread with a special toasting fork - yummy! But I feel so blessed to have had such a wonderful childhood, not a lot of money, but lots of love, singing, card & board games & listening to the radio - we had no TV. We had lots of freedom and we would go 'down the river' with jam jars & fish for sticklebacks - none if us could swim!
ReplyDeleteWe raised our 4 children on what we earned, there were no extra 'credits' apart from child benefit. As a result we did lots of free stuff with our children, which just cost time and imagination !
Really good piece, smiled all the way through as I remembered similar things. We too, I'm the eldest girl of 5, would have our underwear washed each night which was then put on the metal piping that went through a cupboard, one side to the kitchen, the other side to the lounge, giving hot air heating, but none upstairs. Dad would polish our shoes each night. My parents saved like mad and took 7 of us to Butlins, all in,every year. I see members of my family now who spend more time going away on holiday, however cheap they are, and going on outings most weekends and I wonder sometimes why they bother having a house, they seem to spend so little time in it. It seems the more channels we have on tv the more we feel we have to spend entertaining ourselves instead of JUST entertaining ourselves. Really enjoyed reminiscing.
ReplyDeletewhen my husband left I was barely able to keep the house he wanted to sell it--I begged him to give me a year to buy it from him--I DID and still own it--for years our living expenses were 6 dollars UNDER what I made per month and we were happy HAPPY with it
ReplyDeleteWow, that brought back memories, especially the "hand me down clothing" we had a family duffle coat, my brother had it first and then me being the middle one and then my sister got it of course she always moaned about being the youngest. Shoes were a pair for winter and a pair of "jesus" sandals for summer remember those? I look back on my childhood with fondness we were perhaps the last generation to be able to play out and we roamed all over the place. I am 45 now but I still remember that our street had hardly any cars as people could not afford them. My earliest memory is of me in a playpen in our front room I must have been very young and my mum was ironing (we were quite well off) but all it had was net curtains, I can still remember the bare floor boards it was years before it was furnished. We don't know how lucky we are nowadays! and somehow we seemed happier then.
ReplyDeleteWhere does the figure of £148,000 come from? if it's an average figure it would include the likes of the Beckhams which would rather push the figure up. What a load of rubbish, the majority never spend that much on raising a child.Most people born in the 50s and 60s were raised on a LOT less.
ReplyDeleteMemories in deed ,I had 12 siblings and we heated with a wood stove and had a out house .No we were not Amish just a big family in Canada .
ReplyDeleteA wonderful post Froogs, and I echo every sentiment in the third from last paragraph.
ReplyDeleteI remember icy cold Winters, huddling beneath layers of old army blankets to keep warm, trying not to lie on the seam down the centre of the bed where the sheets had been 'turned' to make them last longer. Eating the food that was put before us because there would be nothing else later if we were hungry before bed. I remember the treat of a big box of broken biscuits and praying that when my Dad opened it there would be a few broken custard creams and bourbons and not all Malted Milk and Fig Rolls which I hated or too many of the plain, boringly plain biscuits that only the grown ups seemed to like.
I remember when I look back lots of little signs that we had a poor'ish childhood, but at the time it was good, yes we were cold and sometimes hungry waiting for tea, but we did get some tea. In school holiday we made our own games, we had lots to do, we never got 'bored' or if we did we tried not to show it lest we were given jobs to do.
If we wanted sweets and spends day, when we had a few pennies to call our own, was far away we would scour the streets for bottles we could return to the shop for the half pence deposit fee. If we got some we would share the mojos and blackjacks out between ourselves and go back to our games.
Having a child need not cost a fortune, giving a child a good start in life can cost surprising little even in these times. What a child needs first and foremost is love, parents that love each other and a Mum that will always stop what she is doing to give a cuddle or a word of encouragement, now you don't get that from a computer game or the latest pair of trainers.
I managed when I was a child and I managed again when my boys were small and I had little money to feed and bring them up. Thankfully they have grown up very successfully and my only regret is that my eldest thinks that his children should each have all the very latest things, because he didn't. A TV, Dvd player and computer games in each of their bedrooms all the latest electronic gadgets, what he doesn't give them much of, through no fault of his own is time. He is busy working and striving to buy everything his partner insists the children must have. His favourite memory of childhood ... that magic half hour each evening when I would tuck him up in bed and read him a couple of chapters of his storybook.
How I wish he could have given his children that memory and it cost me nothing but time and a library book.
I'm just wondering - if £148,000 is an average, and there are so many of us that manage to grow men and women at a fraction of that price - that must mean that there are similar numbers of people who fritter away far, far more than that.
ReplyDeleteGrew up in a city in NJ in the 1970's. My family lived paycheck to paycheck and were horrible savers. I went to Catholic School and I remember hot lunch was $5.00 a week. Things were tight, especially when my mom finally left my abusive father in the early 80's. My uncle had to help us pay rent and buy milk the first few months. I never wanted for anything even though we were hand to mouth by that point. The high school I ended up going to was in a very nice suburban area. So I went from uniforms to wearing regular clothes in public school. I had no shame in wearing cheap non brand name clothing and still don't. My mom did finally get her feet on the ground and lucky we were of the time when 401(k)'s started so she did start to save. I have gotten better as i have gotten older, but I admit my financial role models were not that great.
ReplyDeleteWhat surprises the hell out of me is what they claim it costs to raise a kid these days. We have a 19 month old son and we joined a CSA so I could have more fresh fruits and veggies for him than what I just grow. When we buy clothes and shoes they are always on sale or we use coupons. We are also very grateful because people have been incredibly generous to our child. Honestly, the only way I can see such a high price tag as being possible would be because you only buy everything retail and name brand, be it food or clothes. FYI - No child needs an iPad or iPhone or a Coach handbag or every toy under the sun. I have always said,even before I had a child, if my son or daughter was to ask for something high priced my response would be, "If I am not wearing it or driving it, neither are you."
Snap or should I say Deja vue! The paraffin heater - that peculiar smell and yes on bath nights it was always put on and the bathroom was always perishing. (I think it is only recently that mum got rid of the paraffin heater not that it has been in service since I was a child)!
ReplyDeleteWe too only had a coal fire in the front room no heating anywhere else and going to bed in thick wincyette pjs or nighties (home made courtesy of mum and her sewing machine)and socks and dressing gown and thick flannellete stripey sheets, blankets and blankets and blankets and quilts. Thick ice on the inside of the window that we used to draw pictures in when we got up in the morning then the ice would puddle on the windowsills and mum would go round forever in the winter months mopping up. Hand me down clothes from my older cousins, vests ours were cream coloured ones with little sleeves which I hated but at least I escaped the liberty bodice! There was a back place with a coal cellar in the council house we had which was always stone cold but had shelving on for storing home grown veg and the bottles of fruit (goosegogs, rhubarb, pears and plums)that had been preserved and put up which always padded out the food stores. I have a distinct memory of lots of mutton meals predominantly stews rib sticking food that kept you warm and huge treacle puddings and jam roly polies. People today see the romantic side of preserving and gardening and veg clamps but quite simply put they had to do this out of necessity rather than for pleasure. Hard times but happy times; those who lived through similar times know what their parents did to survive and are able to replicate emergency procedures to get their families and loved ones through but those who have no life experience are often left floundering not really knowing what to do. Therefore blogs like this are a godsend to those without the knowledge and they learn so much. Even those of us who have the experience are not too proud to learn especially if there is a better way to be found.
Parkrays; we had one of those in the council house we lived in, in Peterborough heated the whole house and had a back burner but no radiators. When the water got over hot it used to make a banging noise in the pipes and dad used to have to run the water off, but boy did they keep the house warm.
At my Nan's it was the Rayburn in the kitchen to get ready for bed in front (pjs and nighties being warmed on the rail) and equally getting dressed for the day in front off the Rayburn.
Chucking money at things is not always the answer (although some money does ease the way) but what kids really want is their parents spending some time with them and interacting and teaching them things at home not just relying on Teachers to do it all for them. We learned from an early age how to keep ourselves occupied (reading) but some not all of today's younger generation seem at a loss as to what to do. Knowing that you are really loved and cherished is a much more effective tool especially in the times where money is scant but that is what helps fire creativity. I consider myself one of the lucky ones at the moment, but things can change just like that.
Thank you for bringing back so many memories although times were tough they were equally many happy times. We didn't ask for much and were grateful for that which came our way.
Pattypan
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Great read Froogs. Brings back many happy memories of my childhood also. Love the photo taken with your Mum, know exactly where that is, will be driving by it again in the week, going to watch the Red Arrows.
ReplyDeleteHope your feeling better. Kathy
I SO agree with your last paragraph.
ReplyDeleteIt's really too bad that so many folk buy into the lie that all the money and expensive activities they run their children to will produce character and make up for lack of time together.
Similar here. We had a Rayburn, Mum used to knit jumpers for me and sew my gym tunic, although it was actually nicer than the uniform gym tunic, better fabric. One pair of good shoes, no party shoes, a pair of gym shoes.
ReplyDeleteLife was actually easier with less choice. Mum had about 3 skirts and different blouses/jumpers for work. She always looked nice, as she made them herself and co-ordinated the colours. She was a beautiful dressmaker and when I was very little used to make wedding dresses for people to earn some money.
At the moment, at 93 she is knitting a little neckerchief scarf in very fine silk yarn. She's finding her concentration not so good now though.
Oh Froogs, how posh to have a bathroom!, but then I am older than you, we had an outside toilet and a wash house with a copper in the corner. That was filled up and the fire lit underneath to heat the water, this would be ladled out into a zinc bath and we had lovely hot baths in the steamy heat, my hair was so long that when I had my head at one end it reached right down the bath and over the end, this was a bath long enough for a teenager to lie full length in.
ReplyDeleteWe had no central heating but there was a range in the kitchen and a fire in the front room, one of the bedrooms had a fireplace and this was the sick bay, it was also used when family came to stay.
We lived well but had no money I used to get 3 old pennies a week and for that I fed, watered and cleaned out the rabbits, all 40 of them. The money went 3 ways, saving stamp at school, church collection and sweets, I got a bag of black jacks and fruit salad for 1d.
I picked fruit, beans, peas and even stones for 1d a pail, this money all went into the collective pot and kept us in shoes and coats, we had to walk over a mile to school so needed them.
I loved my childhood, Sunday was baking day and I was in the kitchen early with my Granny learning to feed a family on a budget.
Very interesting post and even more interesting comments! I could add to it but I think everything has been said - you've triggered off many memories for me.
ReplyDeleteMany years ago we were visiting the home of friends who were not materially well off. In fact, they were materially poor compared to their peers but they were good, decent and honest people who would do anything for you if you needed a hand. The salt of the earth types. During our visit another couple called in as they were in the neighbourhood. The new arrivals were greeted warmly but what happened next stunned me. The woman stood before us and our hosts and said "these people have nothing". It was an in-your-face insult. My friend was embarrassed but dignified and invited the arrivals in for a cup of tea. My friend later confided that she had experienced such insults before and always from other women. She shared with me things that have been said to her about her home: "at least its clean", "how can you live like a gypsy" and other references that inferred she was not a good homemaker. My friend explained that her children found it very hard living in a home that was not on par with the homes of their peers. She said when her children were younger they would invite a friend over for a play but friendships were never encouraged by the mothers of the friends who invariably would come to check out if her kids came from "the right sort of home". Later as her kids became teenagers, they did not have the clothes, gadgets, holidays and other luxuries common to their peers. My friend told me that her children would be picked on at school and experienced anxiety and depression but thankfully not to a severe extent. Her children have grown to be fine adults but are striving for material comfort that will hopefully spare their children from the pains they experienced in their own childhood.
ReplyDeleteReading your post today was like looking at a snap shot of my own up bringing. But it was OK because my family's circumstances were pretty much similar to the circumstances of other families in our area. We all lived in small houses, owned one car, holidayed with grandparents over summer, wore hand me downs and played outside. That was the norm. We were all in the 'same boat' and few stood out because they had far more or far less. These days material worth has become all important and people judge others and define themselves on what they own and what they can buy. Success is all about tokens - big houses, big cars, big wardrobes, gadgets. And kids who have everything lavished on them at any cost are just another token of parental success. Sad when all they really need is love and time lavished on them.
Really - all it takes is love!!
ReplyDeleteWonderful blog post today Froogs.
ReplyDeleteI felt like I was reading an account of my own childhood, so many similar aspects to yours, only difference, I was born and raised in NZ in the late 1940s.
You can see why many of us (of our generation) can embrace frugal living when necessary, our upbringing taught us how to survive.
I know this day and age is totally different from my early years but I wouldn't trade those early years with today's youth.
PS: Hope you are feeling much better now. x
Wow, Froogs, that explains where you got your 'can do' attitude to life, and your determination and energy! What great parents you have, and how hard they worked for you all to have a good childhood.
ReplyDeleteMy 1970s childhood here in Australia was quite simple, with my parents sensibly concerned with paying off the mortgage rather than buying us 'things', and holidays camping or visiting family. We always had enough food, enough clothes, the occasional treat, and lots of free entertainment - family get-togethers, church socials, meals with friends, picnics at the beach.
My parents never borrowed money, except to buy a house, and brought us up to be sensible with money too. Our kids have more 'things', but less than they think they should have! They too are growing up with hand-me-downs and home-cooked everything. We could afford to give them more things, but don't think it is good for them to have too much, and like our parents, we are boringly paying off our mortgage quickly instead. We moved to a regional city so our house was affordable, and I can stay home with the children. They have a few more treats than we did as children, but not enough that they come to expect them and take them for granted. Treats should be just that!
Most of your commenters have remembered their not-very-well-off childhoods with nostalgia. What will this generation of poor little rich kids remember? The TV they watched in their bedrooms at night by themselves? The ipods they looked at to the exclusion of anything else?
Thanks for the reminder of what really matters in families :)
I am exceptionally glad I grew up in a warm climate. The uniform thing happened here too. HoweverI could was my under blouse ever night and it would dry quickly. i have lots to say but now understand how you have such a knowledge base to share.
ReplyDeleteI know a lot of people whose children have grown probably think that figure is inflated, but I know many a parent, who plan and expect to spend in excess of £1000 per child each birthday and Christmas, with presents, parties and the lot. That certainly does add up! My children have far more than I did and yet, in many ways we have chosen to maintain certain circumstances. I must admit, I understand the ideas of chilblains, having been diagnosed with them by the doctor last winter. We certainly don't have heat through the whole house (my daughter simply stuffs her large furry cat into her sleeping bag to keep her warm - and yes he seems to like this arrangement.), though last year was particularly cold and damp. I would love advice for keeping moulds at bay, as I scrub, scrub, scrub, and struggle with it. I believe it bad for health, but everyone says turn the heating up, and open the windows. However, with the F6 - F9 winds that we have on a normal winter's day... there is definitely a through breeze! I absolutely agree with most everything people say, but for the 'gadgets.' We don't have what I would consider an excess of gadgets (no tv or gaming devices), but I do believe children need to have a computer to work on and learn. It is simply a very important tool in today's society. We have chosen to live in one of the least expensive parts of the country, on cheap land, and do as much ourselves as possible. In July, this is heaven on Earth. In January, it is cold, damp, and physically exhausting. Buy my children have many a friend (with expensive playhouse and garden swing set) who come to ours and think our hammock and animals are far more amusing. We don't spend in abundance on clothes,toys and don't have to pay for childcare. Still, it does cost plenty to raise a child, but I hope nothing like £148,000. Though, I did spend £145 in Clarks just to get five pairs of shoes last week. Ouch!
ReplyDeletePut plain old fans in your home in the winter to keep the air moving. Moving air is drier. You shouldn't need to open the windows as much.
DeleteMama Dragon I hear you on the clarks the old back to school routine I spent £100 on three pairs myself.
DeleteYes, it was a different world for our kids and I wonder what things will be like for their children. There are lots of young couples right now embracing minimalism. Maybe they'll come full circle as a choice, not as a necessity.
ReplyDeleteOur parents' lives were different from ours again. No fridges, no indoor bathrooms, walk a couple of miles to and from school, share a lunch can with siblings, newspaper on the walls in place of wallpaper, leaving school at grade five or six to help support a large family ...
Very interesting post and comments.
Brings back such memories.
ReplyDeleteI'm exactly the same age as you, Froogs, born 1965, and recognise about 95% of what you've written. We didn't have a fruit cage, and my Dad didn't fish (nowhere near the sea), but he did get the odd day beating for the local shoot so would come home hung about with pheasants! All our veg were home grown, all our meals home made.
ReplyDeleteI had 4 pairs of footwear - school shoes, black plimsolls, summer sandals and wellies - oh, I guess 5 if you count slippers! I look at my niece who has a wardrobe full of shoes, most of them because her friends have them or because they have gimmicky lights in them or dolls hidden in the heels - if they are ever worn (and many of them are worn only a couple of times) they usually fall apart after a week. Her Mum says she won't wear good stout shoes because they're not nice to look at.
It was like you were writing about my childhood as it was so similar to how I grew up. I remember the one new pair of shoes a year, the ‘fourth hand’ clothes (as I had three older sisters) and the ice on the inside of the windows. I also remember playing outside with my friends from morning to dusk and as you said, brownies, guides and Sunday school was our entertainment.
ReplyDeleteTeenagers and children today have the benefit of hundreds of TV channels, the internet on lap tops, ipads and mobile phones. They are the generation that has gadgets that we wouldn’t have ever dreamed of… but are they really happier because of it?..... I actually think that they aren’t, but time will only tell. When I look back to my childhood I have lots of happy memories of playing with my friends and being with my family, but I worry that children today won’t have the same happy memories. I wonder if they will just remember the pressures of ‘looking thin and beautiful’ and wearing the ‘right’ clothes to fit in with their peers and on top of this, the worry of being bullied on social media.
I am doing everything I can to help my teenage daughters to have good memories of their childhoods, but it really is hard with social pressures, especially when we don’t have much spare money to pay for new gadgets, ridiculously priced school trips away or trendy clothes etc.
When my first daughter was born, we made a decision for me to stay at home so we only have one wage coming in and money has been extremely tight, but we still feel this is right for us (though I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea). We save hard and budget well so we always have family holidays etc. and we do have the ‘gadgets’ they want eventually, even though they may be older versions. My daughters also have their friends to stay over or come for tea whenever they want. But most of all, I am always here for them, school holidays and after school. I know my teenagers don’t appreciate this at the moment, but I really hope I am creating some ‘memories’ for them that today’s way of life just can’t do.
Great read! Likewise it brought back many memories for me. When I was 14 in 1972 I had a Friday evening and Saturday morning job in the hairdressers, sweeping up, tidying, making tea etc for which I earned the princely sum of 15p per hour (90p for the six hours I did!). How times have changed! XX
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with what you wrote it is just ridiculous how much they say we need to raise a child, most people don't have that sort of money to spend on each child it's probably some politician somewhere has come up with it and is factoring in the annual ski holiday! I would say today our children are very well off compared to those of previous generations and even those suffering hard times usually live in a comfortable house even if they don't have all the latest trends.
ReplyDeleteThat is an amazing story (and probably more common than I realise), my husband and I don't have children, but we aspire to that simple life of growing our own food and not needing much to get by. It makes our life so much happier if we live cheaply and save the extra "just in case", but it would have been a struggle if that was all you had.
ReplyDeleteGrowing up in the US in the fifties I remember how my Dad walked miles to the bus station each morning, took a bus into the city, stood on a corner in the cold and waited for a coworker to pick him up and drive him the rest of the way to work. There he manufactured saw blades and couldnt afford to buy the gloves that would have protected his hands from cuts, but eventually the callouses. He came home the same way in reverse at the end of the day. We lived in a two room apartment with no bedroom. Mom Dad and I shared the fold out couch at night. Mom hand washed clothes and dried them on the pulley line outside our second story window. We moved often and had no family or friends. Certainly no vacations. But such a hard life is very motivating, and eventually life improved. Without government assistance.
ReplyDeleteIt will cost you that amount of money to raise a child if you are going to use disposable nappies, buy wipes instead of using a wash cloth and water, feel the need to buy a bigger house so everyone has their own space, kids have all the usual amusements - computers, tablets, own computers, mobile phones and the like, a new wardrobe of clothes every season and the like.
ReplyDeleteI am in my early 50s. My parents bought their block of land for their house when they were engaged. It took them years to pay it off. Once that was done, they built a house that they needed a mortgage for. All they could afford was 10 squares, and so that is what we had for the six of us. We are good old blue collar working class. My dad often had his "day" job (which was often night shift because of the loading for the shift) and a part time one as well. While we were all little, mum worked from home doing all sorts of things. It was just the way it was. We went to the local state primary school and eventually the state run comprehensive.
It really is a different world we live in. It seems there are more wants that are seen as needs.
You did have an incredible childhood. I do think there is an overload of materialism today and I do think it has quite an effect on the children today. My sister and I were raised by a divorced single mother, so things were rough. She worked at a sewing factory most of our childhood and I began working at 15 years old to help out some. I crocheted baby sets to sell and worked in a restaurant. I don't feel I missed out on a lot of things. I had an abundance of love and I think my childhood has definitely made me a more appreciative person with simple wants. I've tried not to overdo it with my child and I think she definitely knows the difference between needs and wants. I want her to know there are so many more things so much more important than material needs.
ReplyDeleteGreat vivid story Froogs, many thanks! I remember lots of similar things from my own childhood, not everything mind you. My own childhood was nothing on my grandmother's era though. They had one holiday a year, which consisted of *one day* the whole street hiring a bus and going on a picnic, they took jam sandwiches and had sachets of fizzy powder to make lemonade. One day I asked my Nan was she poor when she was young, she said "We were lucky, my father was never sick." Which says so much by omission.
ReplyDeleteI certainly can relate to "shut up and eat it". We were sick of swede by the time we were older, but now I can look back and appreciate that we were lucky to get any vegetables with our hot meal. Some kids are not as lucky.
ReplyDeleteI remember food being very basic , no choices you either eat it or you did not eat , sunday tea was a special time we used to have canned fruit and evaporated milk bread and butter and a swiss roll , it was only when I started to court my husband and we went to his moms on a sunday afternoon that we had meat or pink salmon on the sandwiches and home made cake , we still have Sunday tea but now its called high tea as its become fashionable , we have trifle, cakes and sandwiches all frugal , in the winter we have sandwichies and pudding and custard , I think I feel a future post coming along in the next few weeks , Sunday tea time , on the clothing front I can remember going to school with elastic bands on my long socks to hold them up as the elastic had gone due to lots of wear
ReplyDeleteThis comment has just reminded me that my mum did the same thing - elastic garters under the long fold-over socks. Hilarious!
DeleteI remember that also!
DeleteMe too! My childhood in Belfast in the 1970's was very similar: Our household rule was you can eat it, you can leave it but there is nothing else, and There Will Be No Discussion about it!
ReplyDeleteOn the one hand I was given a fine appreciation of the value of simple things, on the other I will never, ever, no matter how hungry, eat liver ever again !!!
Me too! My childhood in Belfast in the 1970's was very similar: Our household rule was you can eat it, you can leave it but there is nothing else, and There Will Be No Discussion about it!
ReplyDeleteOn the one hand I was given a fine appreciation of the value of simple things, on the other I will never, ever, no matter how hungry, eat liver ever again !!!
Tea for my brother and me in the late forties was a pile of toast spread with dripping from the Sunday joint - delicious! This was before cholesterol was invented.
ReplyDeleteWhat a heartwarming post this is! My childhood was mostly in the 50's and early 60's and we lived in a blue collar neighborhood. Such wonderful memories of simple birthdays and Christmases and summers swimming at the lake just three blocks from home. We always had enough and were happy.
ReplyDeleteI could say snap.but it was no fun.to this day I feel the cold.BUt I am a very good manager,no waste, my ff thinks im from a Dickens book.
ReplyDeleteDid this bring back some memories! My childhood in the 50's, the dreaded liberty bodices, ice on the inside of the windows, perfecting the art of dressing and undressing in bed. Poor as we were we never went hungry even when mum had to make 4oz mince feed four of us for three days. She made it into 2 huge 'meat' pies by bulking out the mince with everything she couldfind in the pantry. I come from a long line of very resourceful women on both sides of the family. The values and skills from these amazing women I give grateful thanks for daily.
ReplyDeleteI still can't comprehend that it would cost this much to raise one child. I've raised two boys and I'm pretty sure I spent a fraction of this by living simply and making do. My boys never went without good food, toys, clothes, shoes or fun. I grew up in South Wales in the Seventies...the house had no central heating and was freezing in the winter. Sunday was Bath Night, school uniform cost a bomb, had to be bought from one shop only and it had to last all year. We had a garden full of veg,'fed' by the pigeon manure from our neighbours racing birds. I used to collect it in a wheelbarrow. My gran cooked everything from scratch and was a baking whizz. I had my first job when I was 11 working in a local shop and saved up for whatever I wanted. There weren't lots of foreign holidays, but the summers were always full. I always look back with a fondness and I am so glad that I was brought up to be hard working, resilient and not to give a toss about what things anyone else has.
ReplyDeleteAewsome post. I too grew up in & around Plymouth, just a few years earlier - I remember playing for hours on the bomb site further down our road, and on the allotments that had once been plague burial pits - now long built over. I remember picking the ice off the inside of the bedroom window, marvelling at the intricate shapes, Mum soaking Dad's homegrown veg in Milton disinfectant until she was sure all the inhabitants were dead, wearing shoes until they pinched, the itchy prickle of handmade wool cardis, and being in quarantine for weeks with various lurgies. I remember going to bed hungry, inedible porridge (Mum hates cooking to this day) and slices of meat so thin you could see through them.
ReplyDeleteWe've tried hard not to spoil our kids - and indeed we couldn't, with 5 to raise & a mortgage to pay on one ordinary wage & whatever I could earn around them - but there's still a part of me that thinks they are incredibly lucky to have been born in this place at this time; they've never lacked for anything that really matters, like love or clean water, food or medical attention (when needed) and they have had holidays where the tent didn't always fall down in the middle of the night. But sometimes I'm aware that they do feel hard done by, that they've never gone to Disneyland or Thailand or even Alton Towers (logistics, rather than finances!) but then, they've never been shot at, or had their water poisoned, or had to leave their home for ever in the middle of the night with no warning either. Countless thousands have, and worse.
One thing I think we could all agree on; there's no excuse for building any more poorly-insulated housing in our kind of climate now, is there? I remember my aunt's ancient village house; cob walls so thick you could sit on the windowsill with your legs extended & just your feet dangling over the edge. It was damp, but never really cold, or hot either in summer. There was just the one range cooker in the kitchen, and a flue that went up the middle of one side that radiated heat, but the heat stayed in as the walls were so thick & the windows pretty small & hung with thick curtains. I loved staying in that house, despite the damp; it was always so cosy compared to ours where just the kitchen was warm.